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 Phoenix.Sehachan
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-12-31 18:12:07  
Track? What do you mean?
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By Asura.Fondue 2011-12-31 18:39:02  
see what rolls are up on you/when they wear? :o

looks like my yarnball just says TOFIX for 1 roll
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By Ragnarok.Vinyll 2012-01-01 10:23:12  
thoughts? Rings are MaB +3 the rest is as is ~
Toying with some new stuff
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By Cerberus.Finalvegeta 2012-01-01 10:52:01  
Wouldn't 13 Agi from Navarch's +2 beat 6mab?
Same with agi rings.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-01 11:19:01  
Stormsoul rings should be better for WF, and I also wouldn't drop Nav bottes. Best body piece out there atm is Athos' tabard, but VW drops are bitchy I know! :<
As for mab pieces, if you can get Blood Cuisses those are very sexy and can substitute Ambusher's(as long as you put the due agi in the other slots).
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By Ragnarok.Vinyll 2012-01-01 23:02:05  
Iunno Im doing alot more with the MaB than the AGI in most situations, AGI being so easy to come by these days stacking it to 100+ isnt getting me much of anywhere :/
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-02 05:29:02  
1 mab=2.5 agi(this isn't an exact value, but it works as rule of thumb when in doubt). Then again it depends on what you're fighting. The stronger the enemy, the more agi you will need(a resisted ws is a wasted ws).
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2012-01-05 04:27:22  
Fenrir.Curty said: »


Was what I was thinking.. subbing in athos gloves on firesday and artemis medal when appropriate.


I just got Athos's gloves another day and tested it, it doesn't seems to beat Alruna's on Firesday.....idk why though, it's either the increase elemental WS depending on day effect is very small, or it's just broken/glitched, or the effect isn't what we think it is, or I'm doing it wrong ._.


Tested both outside of abby and inside, with karin obi on and without. Alruna just goes higher on firesday no matter inside/outside with obi/without obi.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-05 04:44:29  
That's very weird, they're only 2 agi short of Alruna after all and are supposed to have an additional boost...maybe it's not on Firesday that they apply? Maybe they work on the "opposite" day?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2012-01-05 05:57:56  
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
That's very weird, they're only 2 agi short of Alruna after all and are supposed to have an additional boost...maybe it's not on Firesday that they apply? Maybe they work on the "opposite" day?

Hmmmm I'll try on Ice/watersday then....anyone else got the hands and tested it yet?
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By Fenrir.Blissrun 2012-01-05 07:28:46  
Cerberus.Finalvegeta said: »
Wouldn't 13 Agi from Navarch's +2 beat 6mab?
Same with agi rings.

Not only this, but the Navarch's increase elemental WS damage by 20% after using fire shot. I think the duration is 20-30 seconds after quick shot? You really shouldn't be taking Navarch's off during WF.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-05 07:30:25  
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
That's very weird, they're only 2 agi short of Alruna after all and are supposed to have an additional boost...maybe it's not on Firesday that they apply? Maybe they work on the "opposite" day?

Might be based on SC props too?
Idk what SC props on WF is, but just a thought
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2012-01-05 15:12:03  
Fenrir.Blissrun said: »
Cerberus.Finalvegeta said: »
Wouldn't 13 Agi from Navarch's +2 beat 6mab?
Same with agi rings.

Not only this, but the Navarch's increase elemental WS damage by 20% after using fire shot. I think the duration is 20-30 seconds after quick shot? You really shouldn't be taking Navarch's off during WF.


Hmmm I don't think you need to keep it equipped to enhance the WS dmg too, since it only says enhance QD, but 13 AGI should beat 6 MAB regardless, following 2 AGI>1MAB rule.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-05 15:33:56  
When you use QD with Empy boots you put a 15 seconds status effect on the mob that decreases its resistant to the element of the QD you used. Therefore all nukes and elemental ws of the party receive a boost when following the corresponding QD. So, you don't need to wear the boots during WF for the effect to be active, just during QD. But still, they are the best WF boots we have due to agi+13.
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By Bahamut.Yukisoba 2012-01-06 14:17:24  
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
When you use QD with Empy boots you put a 15 seconds status effect on the mob that decreases its resistant to the element of the QD you used. Therefore all nukes and elemental ws of the party receive a boost when following the corresponding QD. So, you don't need to wear the boots during WF for the effect to be active, just during QD. But still, they are the best WF boots we have due to agi+13.
Nitpicking, but it's not a reduced resistance, it's a 20% boost in your damage I'm pretty sure.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-06 14:21:19  
It applies to other people as well, not just to you, therefore it can be considered a debuff.
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By Bahamut.Yukisoba 2012-01-06 14:24:33  
Yes, I'll agree to that, but it is still a boost in damage, not reducing the mobs resistance to that element.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-14 13:59:13  
Making Arma and wanted to play around with a WF set before I finish

Any adjustments I should make? Thinking at least a second Stormsoul ring x.x
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2012-01-14 14:11:52  
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »
Making Arma and wanted to play around with a WF set before I finish

Any adjustments I should make? Thinking at least a second Stormsoul ring x.x

AF3+2 boots will beat out relic+2 boots and maybe ambushers hose unless you have MaB+6 on those Bloods. Alruna's gloves for hands has 1 more AGI then Schutzen. As for belt I havent personnally tested WS belts, but I use Sveltesse Gouriz.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-14 14:16:19  
How much does 1MAB equate to in AGI? Read 2 and 2.5
And I thought Schutzen because I was willing to sacrifice the 1AGI for 5 MACC. Does MACC help WF at all or no ?
Thanks for the input^^
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2012-01-14 14:21:54  
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »
How much does 1MAB equate to in AGI? Read 2 and 2.5
And I thought Schutzen because I was willing to sacrifice the 1AGI for 5 MACC. Does MACC help WF at all or no ?
Thanks for the input^^
I dont think Macc helps WF at all. AGI helps with resist rates pending on mobs lvl and since its 2 AGI > 1 MaB u can play with different pieces. iirc the formula is (478.5 + 4.8*AGI - 2*Enemy's INT)*MAB which was taken from BG.

*Edit: since WF much like LS is magical, it never misses, only gets resisted.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-14 14:23:45  
Thought formula was: [floor(5.5 * (Lv + 2 + floor(@ * floor(AGI * .6))))] + [2 * (Your AGI-Enemy INT)]*MAB
This WS :/

Edit: MACC helps with resistance not accuracy of the WS lol
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-14 14:26:19  
Generic casts Thunder V.
Thunder V misses the Bubbly Bernie.

Needs more MACC xD
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2012-01-14 14:27:05  
This is what im using atm.



Im also having badluck with my timing on snagging a pair of alruna's off AH.
AND still trying for Athos's Tabard! 0/4 atm
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2012-01-14 14:28:50  
AGI helps with resist as far as I know, not Macc.
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2012-01-14 14:37:06  
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »
Thought formula was: [floor(5.5 * (Lv + 2 + floor(@ * floor(AGI * .6))))] + [2 * (Your AGI-Enemy INT)]*MAB
This WS :/

Edit:MACC helps with resistance not accuracy of the WS lol

The formula is [floor(5.5 * (Lv + 2 + floor(@ * floor(AGI * .6))))] + [2 * (Your AGI-Enemy INT)]

The formula i posted i took off BG for AGI Vs. MaB and it's not 100% accurate. But props to Kirshy for the testing!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-14 17:02:34  
Using: (478.5 + 4.8*AGI - 2*Enemy's INT)*MAB
AF2+2 boots beat AF3+3 boots in both of our sets
I tried from a range on Mob INT = 100 to 300 even
AF2+2 won everytime
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By Sylph.Agentblade 2012-01-14 18:05:28  
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »
Using: (478.5 + 4.8*AGI - 2*Enemy's INT)*MAB
AF2+2 boots beat AF3+3 boots in both of our sets
I tried from a range on Mob INT = 100 to 300 even
AF2+2 won everytime

Well since i dont have the boots to do a controlled test or crude eye ball test, I really cant comment on what is the better piece. As in most things look good on paper, practical application can be surprising different pending on the situation. While following the 2 AGI > 1 MaB rule, AF3+2 feet should beat out af2+2.

If someone has both AF3+2 and AF2+2 and knows how to control a test or even a crude eyeball test (Outside of aby) can u please post numbers including the WF set you were using.

Afania comes to mind :p
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2012-01-15 05:54:18  
Sylph.Agentblade said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »
Using: (478.5 + 4.8*AGI - 2*Enemy's INT)*MAB
AF2+2 boots beat AF3+3 boots in both of our sets
I tried from a range on Mob INT = 100 to 300 even
AF2+2 won everytime

Well since i dont have the boots to do a controlled test or crude eye ball test, I really cant comment on what is the better piece. As in most things look good on paper, practical application can be surprising different pending on the situation. While following the 2 AGI > 1 MaB rule, AF3+2 feet should beat out af2+2.

If someone has both AF3+2 and AF2+2 and knows how to control a test or even a crude eyeball test (Outside of aby) can u please post numbers including the WF set you were using.

Afania comes to mind :p


Whoa that's not fair, a lot of WS lah :p

But /bits the bait ._.

Probably not a very well controlled test, and not alot of WS done(due to lazyness and 4am midnight etc), only do 2~3 each.

Tried outside of WG on EP spiders(really don't know other outside of abby mobs that's not VW or dyna)


Used SJ /SAM(this SJ benefits more from MAB in gears anyways), no MAB buff, no firesday weather bonus, no food. No fire shot bonus. AF3+2 feet wins every time.

Loki body + AF3+2 legs + AF3+2 feet

2039
2039

Loki body + AF3+2 legs+ AF2+2 feet

2028
2028

MAB mirke + MAB+4 desultor + AF3+2 feet

2072
2065

MAB mirke+ MAB+4 desultor+ AF2+2 feet

2051
2044

I can get more numbers next time I do VW/dyna(I mostly do DC mobs in dyna, should be high lv enough) and secretly use AF2+2 on some of the WF, but following 2 AGI>1MAB rule, it's unlikely AF2+2 feet would beat AF3+2 feet.

PS, also did some Leaden Salute, I didn't change to pluto's staff though, and didn't change gun(still stuck with Arma), probably won't make a difference IMO:

AF2+2:
1268
1224
1216

AF3+2:
1236
1232
1236
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-15 06:04:50  
Somewhat offtopic question:
How does Last stand and WF compare for COR?
On VW.
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