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By ocean 2017-12-03 10:53:26  
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Not sure why you're worried about debuffs? Stacking debuffs will make it use Yaksha Stance, which comes with a 50% PDT penalty. I haven't done it with RNGs personally, but I would assume you want to keep it in Raksha Stance to do full damage.

To change it to raksha stance, you just need to keep at least 4 buffs on your tank for a short period. To keep it there, minimize debuffs used.

I think he's trying to use TrueFlight?
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2017-12-05 18:57:23  
Had issues with Vinipata today with sleeping and having it go into Yaksha. I think we know what to change though.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2017-12-06 12:42:56  
Ok I got a few more questions on Vinipata (ranger setup).

1) Do people use an adds tank? Or would this make it problematic as the tank party has to keep buffs up on both? Or do you only need to keep buffs up on one?

2) Considering you don't have a REMA BRD, would one brd be enough for sleeps? Or would most groups consider bringing two (and put one in each party) and rotate?

3) What happens if the adds get away from the main tank? Is there a way to recover if the adds don't stay together? Or is it absolutely essential the sleepers re-apply as soon as it wears?
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2017-12-06 12:46:12  
How are you trying to sleep it? It's most likely not going to land without NT, and you'll want NT anyway for the extended duration.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2017-12-06 13:57:03  
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How are you trying to sleep it? It's most likely not going to land without NT, and you'll want NT anyway for the extended duration.

Nightingale + Troubadour? Yes. We also had the brd /blm for Elemental Seal for an extra sleep.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2017-12-06 14:04:56  
Why use Nightingale? Surely it only changes the recast time which wouldn't be an issue anyway? Or is it more to do with instant casting the song?
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By Shiva.Spynx 2017-12-06 14:10:27  
Adds have very fluid hate (each stance will have a color sharing have with 1 vini and the other attacking whoever does any action) so a 2nd tank isn't really worth it and if you miss the first sleep, you can pop revit/RD and try again right away. You don't strictly need any RMEA on BRD (1 is enough) as long as you have decent accuracy, pop duration/accuracy JAs and are careful making sure all adds are in range to get slept on pop.

It's a matter of doing as much dmg as possible before 2nd set of adds pop (1st being the initial one) and when that happens you can wipe and have someone bio-zombie it till everybody unweaks. At this point sleep again and try to kill it before adds wake up.
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By Shiva.Spynx 2017-12-06 14:12:49  
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Why use Nightingale? Surely it only changes the recast time which wouldn't be an issue anyway? Or is it more to do with instant casting the song?

[Edit] I was wrong on the extended sleep duration (thanks Comeatmebro), Nightingale will help you with sleep recast should you miss the first one.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2017-12-06 14:14:43  
Shiva.Spynx said: »
Adds have very fluid hate (each stance will have a color sharing have with 1 vini and the other attacking whoever does any action) so a 2nd tank isn't really worth it and if you miss the first sleep, you can pop revit/RD and try again right away. You don't strictly need any RMEA on BRD (1 is enough) as long as you have decent accuracy, pop duration/accuracy JAs and are careful making sure all adds are in range to get slept on pop.

It's a matter of doing as much dmg as possible before 2nd set of adds pop (1st being the initial one) and when that happens you can wipe and have someone bio-zombie it till everybody unweaks. At this point sleep again and try to kill it before adds wake up.

So what would you suggest if the adds got away from the tank and head for the backline? Tell everyone to stop while they find their way back to the tank and then sleep? Have whoever got hate run toward the tank? Just wondering how groups deal with the adds if a sleep is missed.

PS: Is there any point in bringing the brd with /blm? Or is not useful due to the lack of duration?
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By Shiva.Spynx 2017-12-06 14:27:21  
You can only really miss the sleep on pop as after the wipe, all mobs will be clustered together and brd can sleep and tank flash/voke vini once sleep lands. For the way hate works there, the popper will have all enmity on pop and mobs won't attack anybody until action is taken so make sure nobody does anything at all until they are asleep. If the BRD misses any mobs on 1st sleep, he should ride horde lullaby timer and try again asap while tank and brd stay together so mobs don't scatter around.

If you need to sleep later for whatever reason, you are right, the person with hate should run toward the tank but that usually means you are doing something wrong.
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By cuddlyhamster 2017-12-06 14:27:49  
what i do is N/T the first set of adds. Marcato/Ele Seal the second set of adds. Super Revit and repeat. I dont know the quality of gear on your brd. But Soul voice will also help with duration and accuracy. Clarion Call too if got JPs
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2017-12-06 14:29:33  
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Why use Nightingale? Surely it only changes the recast time which wouldn't be an issue anyway? Or is it more to do with instant casting the song?

20 extra seconds on sleep if using relic feets
That's actually 20 extra seconds on nightingale itself's duration, not the songs cast with it active. Nightingale isn't vital, and if you're relying on random deals it shouldn't be used. It has some value in reducing recast in case you get hit with bot delay or out of range.

If you are not confident, I would recommend using N/T on first set of adds, wild carding yourself, using N/T on second set of adds, and using ES on the third set. If you wipe, have someone designated to bio2 vinipata and someone else designated to diaga adds. BRD can dia sac once bio wears, and you'll be able to cleanly resleep all adds that are up when you repull.

There's more than enough time for one repull, potentially time for two if your issue is coordination rather than gear. No, this shouldn't be necessary, but it was a common part of the fight in the early days of T4 and it can still help.
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By Shiva.Spynx 2017-12-06 14:35:51  
cuddlyhamster said: »
what i do is N/T the first set of adds. Marcato/Ele Seal the second set of adds. Super Revit and repeat. I dont know the quality of gear on your brd. But Soul voice will also help with duration and accuracy. Clarion Call too if got JPs

This is a very solid advice giving you even more time to deal dmg before the zombie wipe (we used to do this as well, I forgot, it's been a while) but it requires coordination and people need to stop doing anything as soon as adds pop so the brd can sleep them on top of tank and everybody needs to be careful not to misfire an add and wake it up (just lock-on to be sure)

Best luck to your group, I'm sure you'll take it down!
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2017-12-06 14:46:03  
The plan for us was to use Troubadour first. When that wore, use ES. I'd Random Deal our BRD to potentially reset both. When he's out of JAs, I'd Wild card and get Troubadour, ES, and Random Deal back. Super Revit. would give us another round. We were using 3 rangers and 1 corsair for DPS with 12 of us, which I assume is enough to kill (before we run out of JAs), or at least get it close before wiping?

We could pair Marcato with ES but there's a chance Random Deal might not reset Troubadour .. so I've got mixed feelings on it.

What about the tank? Does he need bard songs? We were considering just giving them Haste 2 due to us having plenty of support. I'm guessing haste 2 and a GEO-haste would be enough to cap? (we had 2 geo in the tank pt)
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By Shiva.Spynx 2017-12-06 16:20:41  
Your tank shouldn't require much support but since Raksha Stance (MDT-50%) is forced by buffs, extra ones won't hurt you. Think you may be using too much support vs dmg if you have 2 GEOs in tank pt. I do not know the optimal ratio of DD to party size but you would use 9 people in the ideal setup (3RNG COR GEO GEO + hopping-BRD TANK WHM) so if increasing the number of people you probably want at least another DD.

To answer your question on haste, haste2+geo-haste is way overkill (30% + 35% from non-idris is 65% magical haste when cap is 44%) so haste 1 would be enough but RDM is a nice extra slot even just to flurry II the RNG/COR and sabo distract 3 (if forced in same stance).

Another nice tip if you are using a PLD tank is to use holy circle (17% bonus dmg for 4.5 mins with AF feet). If you use it just before pop and before reclaiming after wipe, it will give you a nice boost in dmg, not to mention the extra defense and intimidation rate for the tank
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By tyalangan 2017-12-06 17:17:35  
Shiva.Spynx said: »
sabo distract 3 (if forced in same stance).

So, if in Raksha Stance doing one or two enfeebles won't cause a change? Based on BG it won't switch to Yaksha until 4 debuffs? So, I could have Dia3 and Distract3?
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2017-12-06 21:20:30  
Up to 3 yes. PLD uses Flash, so leaves 2 others. Any debuff which is dispellable counts toward possibility of Yaksha.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2017-12-08 16:00:15  
Does the damage type reduction from Banish III count as a dispellable debuff?
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