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By Yatenkou 2017-01-18 20:05:12  
Wow so someone who lost on the apprentice is coming forward saying Trump sexually assaulted her...the lawyer is Gloria Allred who has a reputation for representing celebrities in court.

This one stinks so bad that it's obvious this is an attempt at getting Trump impeached. Why wait until NOW to come forward?

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/01/gloria_allred_announces_lawsui.html
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-18 20:10:37  
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Why wait until NOW to come forward?
It's a George Soros funded lawsuit.
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By Viciouss 2017-01-18 20:13:25  
She came forward months ago, as your article states.
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By Bahamut.Dannyl 2017-01-18 20:16:16  
anything affiliated with gloria allred is a joke, thought people knew?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-01-18 20:34:59  
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No I meant what I said, the charter schools in Detroit are constantly failing. Michigan has a horrible school system, courtesy of Betsy DeVos.
Unaccountable. No oversight allowed.

I think it was 80% of Detroit's charter schools are for profit. I could be a bit over the actual percentage, but not a lot. But that isn't the problem, the problem is they do no better than Detroit's public schools and a few are much worse.

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The pms I am getting from people are hilarious! You guys really disliked this altima guy.
Despite his views, I liked him. He took great care of his cows.

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Hell, I got some Mexican blood in my veins. That doesn't mean my name is Jose.
Whatever you say Josie.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-01-18 20:36:36  
Another victim of the edit button....
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By Yatenkou 2017-01-18 20:39:22  
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She came forward months ago, as your article states.
News sources are saying she just filed the lawsuit, sites are popping up with this same story
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-01-18 20:45:30  
Yatenkou said: »
This one stinks so bad that it's obvious this is an attempt at getting Trump impeached. Why wait until NOW to come forward?

Yep it's one of those last ditch efforts to either stop him from being President or cause extreme controversy and shade the historical record.

This kind of treatment is much worse then the birther controversy that happened when President Obama got elected. The Dems ridiculed the idiots that insisted Obama was an illegal Kenya born adoptee (or something) which made him ineligible.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-18 20:46:07  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Hell, I got some Mexican blood in my veins. That doesn't mean my name is Jose.
Whatever you say Josie.
Don't make me send you a biological weapon, like Taco Bell!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-01-18 21:00:19  
1559 Minutes!
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By Viciouss 2017-01-18 21:02:22  
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Yatenkou said: »
This one stinks so bad that it's obvious this is an attempt at getting Trump impeached. Why wait until NOW to come forward?

Yep it's one of those last ditch efforts to either stop him from being President or cause extreme controversy and shade the historical record.

This kind of treatment is much worse then the birther controversy that happened when President Obama got elected. The Dems ridiculed the idiots that insisted Obama was an illegal Kenya born adoptee (or something) which made him ineligible.

How is it worse when one was pure fiction from the start and one is not? Trump has done nothing to disprove any of the allegations made against him in any of his scandals. He just recites the same lines over and over.
"I don't know Putin. I never met the man. I have no business dealings in Russia."
"No, I won. I'm right. I don't have to prove anything. Winning an election disproves all."

Except not. Even Congress is investigating him. The Republican Congress. He has given multiple depositions since the election, and is doing everything he can to keep them sealed. He is swamped in scandal, and he is just fueling the flames with his twitter account and press conferences.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-18 21:23:46  
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Trump has done nothing to disprove any of the allegations made against him in any of his scandals.
Probably for 2 reasons:

1) No matter what he says, everyone has already passed judgement on him. Especially those with the bitchiest loudest voices.
2) By acknowledging these accusations, even defending against them, he would be giving them purpose and power in said allegations. Say what you want about the man, but at least he knows how to play a crowd.

For him, he doesn't have to do anything, because doing something will never help him, and in more cases than not, give his detractors more meaning and an even louder voice.
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By fonewear 2017-01-18 21:29:06  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Yeah scientists are all fake anyway.

No just this one:

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By fonewear 2017-01-18 21:30:14  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
1559 Minutes!

If my math is correct that is about 3 hours !
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By fonewear 2017-01-18 21:31:13  
Viciouss said: »
She came forward months ago, as your article states.
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By Viciouss 2017-01-18 21:49:23  
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Viciouss said: »
Trump has done nothing to disprove any of the allegations made against him in any of his scandals.
Probably for 2 reasons:

1) No matter what he says, everyone has already passed judgement on him. Especially those with the bitchiest loudest voices.
2) By acknowledging these accusations, even defending against them, he would be giving them purpose and power in said allegations. Say what you want about the man, but at least he knows how to play a crowd.

For him, he doesn't have to do anything, because doing something will never help him, and in more cases than not, give his detractors more meaning and an even louder voice.

Thats not gonna fly with Congress and the FBI. He is gonna have to answer their questions.
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By fonewear 2017-01-18 21:50:11  
FBI they couldn't catch a cold !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-18 21:54:56  
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Viciouss said: »
Trump has done nothing to disprove any of the allegations made against him in any of his scandals.
Probably for 2 reasons:

1) No matter what he says, everyone has already passed judgement on him. Especially those with the bitchiest loudest voices.
2) By acknowledging these accusations, even defending against them, he would be giving them purpose and power in said allegations. Say what you want about the man, but at least he knows how to play a crowd.

For him, he doesn't have to do anything, because doing something will never help him, and in more cases than not, give his detractors more meaning and an even louder voice.

Thats not gonna fly with Congress and the FBI. He is gonna have to answer their questions.
Over what again?
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By Viciouss 2017-01-18 22:04:37  
They are both investigating whether or not anyone from the campaign staff had contact with the Russians during the election season. Well, the Congressional investigation hasn't started yet, but they have announced it. The talking points from Trump haven't convinced anyone.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-01-19 00:24:40  
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Trump has done nothing to disprove any of the allegations made against him in any of his scandals.

Yeah, unprovable accusations may be useful in a political campaign, but that's over. Now we're thoroughly in the realm of innocent until proven guilty. Trump won, he's going to be President, and he has no reason to waste his time going around and disproving negatives.

Character assassination hasn't against him for the past year outside of the echo chamber. I don't know why people will think it will work now.
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By Viciouss 2017-01-19 00:43:41  
Because now he has to legislate. And the whole "hey you are up for re-election in a state I won" isn't going to cause a lot of concern when it comes from a President with approval ratings in the 30s amidst ongoing Congressional investigations.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2017-01-19 02:06:55  
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Viciouss said: »
It would have been a better pick than Rick Perry. We are going from a nuclear physicist to a Texan who got a D in Meats. I would think that would have been grounds for deportation to another state but no lets make him governor.
As much as I loath Rick Perry until we got somebody much better than him, let me at least emphasis this little fact for you:

Perry may have been bad, but every single liberal/democrat who ran against him was much worse. Perry is the Texas form of Trump whooping the liberal/democrats *** all the time.
Was he the guy who made a video cooking bacon with a gun barrel? Even the die-hard conservative gun-nut I worked with cringed when he saw that.

And by gun-nut, this is a guy whose family built a survival bomb shelter and have it fully stocked with guns and ammo for the day civilization collapses and they need to start picking off looters.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2017-01-19 04:50:06  
I just find one thing here appalling. For months some of you guys have been insisting you hated Trump, you were only voting for him cause you thought it was the lesser of two evils, that you were so not his supporters.

So why are you all knighting it up for him? I see those same posters defending this man at any turn no matter what.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-19 05:59:28  
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They are both investigating whether or not anyone from the campaign staff had contact with the Russians during the election season.
Wasn't that already disproven? That the Buzzfeed source was not only false, but practically created by 4chan. The staff member in question already shown that, at the time of the alleged Russian contact, he was at a baseball game in California.

Besides, these investigations are public record. Where's your source?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-19 06:00:34  
I mean, I know you are very desparate to keep Trump out of office, Vic, but you don't have to start believing facts I don't like and going beyond the tin, like Candlejack has already.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-19 06:01:45  
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It would have been a better pick than Rick Perry. We are going from a nuclear physicist to a Texan who got a D in Meats. I would think that would have been grounds for deportation to another state but no lets make him governor.
As much as I loath Rick Perry until we got somebody much better than him, let me at least emphasis this little fact for you:

Perry may have been bad, but every single liberal/democrat who ran against him was much worse. Perry is the Texas form of Trump whooping the liberal/democrats *** all the time.
Was he the guy who made a video cooking bacon with a gun barrel? Even the die-hard conservative gun-nut I worked with cringed when he saw that.

And by gun-nut, this is a guy whose family built a survival bomb shelter and have it fully stocked with guns and ammo for the day civilization collapses and they need to start picking off looters.
Don't know/Don't Care.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-01-19 06:49:13  
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2) By acknowledging these accusations, even defending against them, he would be giving them purpose and power in said allegations. Say what you want about the man, but at least he knows how to play a crowd.

This is extremely important. By acknowledging something you give it power over you and by defending against it you legitimize it as a weapon. By ignoring it you make it seem beneath you and nothing but the ravings of lunatics, which is what it is.

And wow are the liberals actually screaming about "THE FBI!!" considering Hillary's own situation and blatant abuse of her position. Just goes to further prove they have a "anything for the cause, the ends justifies the means" mentality.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-19 08:37:49  
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So why are you all knighting it up for him?
Nobody is. But when people tend to attack you for not condemning Trump every moment of your life, you tend to get defensive about it.

There is a difference between defending another person and defending yourself. Pointing out the inconsistencies of attacks against Trump is not the same as defending him either.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-01-19 09:01:05  
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It's interesting how Trump labels everything he doesn't like as facts I don't like and how you guys are following the same trend.
I'm glad you stated that, cause here are a few examples of the leading leader of facts I don't like (aka liberal media).

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One may have hoped that the media would respond to their 2016 failures and resulting lack of credibility by reforming. Instead, it seems that many in political media are quadrupling down on the mistakes that served them and their readers and viewers so poorly in the lead-up to Donald Trump’s surprise victory in November.

It’s impossible to track all the ways in which the media are leaning into their bias, their unnecessary hostility, and their abandonment of journalistic principles. So let’s just look at a few examples from the last few hours.

Many members of the media would like to imagine themselves as brave heroes who will valiantly fight the excesses of the Trump administration. These examples show why people do not trust the media to tell the truth, much less hold anyone accountable for anything.

1) This Unsubstantiated New York Times Hit On Rick Perry

The New York Times ran a story by Coral Davenport and David E. Sanger that claimed, without any sourcing or substantiation, that Rick Perry thought the secretary of Energy job he was about to take was as “a global ambassador for the American oil and gas industry” but then he “discovered that he would be no such thing.” The reporters claimed, again with zero evidence to substantiate their claims, that he only then learned “he would become the steward of a vast national security complex he knew almost nothing about, caring for the most fearsome weapons on the planet, the United States’ nuclear arsenal.”

These odd allegations went on and on, followed by a vague quote from an energy lobbyist who may have been around the transition for the first few days, but was apparently let go nearly a month before Perry was even named, saying that Perry cared about energy advocacy and is now focused on the challenges of the nuclear complex. To be clear, Perry was nominated on December 13, 2016. The man with the boring quote in The New York Times piece speaking to Perry’s knowledge was let go by November 18.

That this guy and his quote are the source for that incendiary lede is utterly and completely disqualifying for Davenport and Sanger.

he story then goes back to more generic hits on Perry being a dumb-dumb compared to the perfect current Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz, whose wisdom extends to helping, uh, negotiate that perfect Iran deal that’s not a disaster in any way. This is a real paragraph that appears in a story that was written and edited for publication:

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For Mr. Moniz, the future of nuclear science has been a lifelong obsession; he spent his early years working at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center. Mr. Perry studied animal husbandry and led cheers at Texas A&M University.

Speaking of stupid cheerleaders, many, many, many reporters — the ones you’re supposed to trust to cover the Trump administration in a tough but fair manner — loved this story and started spreading it even though it lacked any substantiation.

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I could list dozens upon dozens of more examples, sadly, including quite a few people who should know a lot better than to spread this silliness. And I’ll also note that a few liberal journalists did note that the story did not back up its claims:



Even apart from the problems with the lackluster sourcing for the dramatic claims, the story runs completely counter to the facts. As John Davidson wrote here last month, “[A]s governor of Texas Perry actually has some experience dealing with [the nuclear] issue. After all, the largest nuclear maintenance facility in the country is just outside Amarillo. Nearly every nuke in the country makes its way through the Pantex Plant in northern Texas, which ensures their continued capability and functionality. Perry worked with National Nuclear Security Administration for more than a decade, ensuring the security of Pantex and every piece of freight into and out of it.”

Here’s Perry’s statement specifically discussing the nuclear arsenal that your media betters would like you to believe he knew nothing about on the day he accepted the nomination:

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“I look forward to engaging in a conversation about the development, stewardship and regulation of our energy resources, safeguarding our nuclear arsenal, and promoting an American energy policy that creates jobs and puts America first.”

To quote a wise man, “Oops.”

The Texas Tribune has a much more knowledgeable and nuanced take than the one the super-smart New York Times and its super-smart readers in journalism cheered on.

Times reporters Coral Davenport and David E. Sanger failed to substantiate their outlandish claims. Their editors failed the most basic task of making sure they backed up their rather insane claim or took it out of the story. And reporters who pushed the story despite its failure to back up its claim in any meaningful way should be ashamed of themselves. This is why people don’t trust the media. And while stories such as these help whip partisans on one side into even more of a frenzy than they’re in, they also serve to confirm the distrust for the media that many partisans on the other side experience. Do better.

2)Washington Post Mocking A Nominee For Praying

The Washington Post had a heck of a night Wednesday night, mostly in the headline and social media departments.



This is how the folks at the Washington Post chose to frame the news that Donald Trump had nominated Gov. Sonny Perdue to be secretary of Agriculture. In so doing, they lost any claim to be able to objectively cover the man.

It wasn’t that long ago that The New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet admitted that his paper doesn’t get religion at all. “We don’t get religion. We don’t get the role of religion in people’s lives. And I think we can do much, much better,” he claimed to believe. Obviously things aren’t tremendously better at other major media.

If the Post employed at least one person in their publishing chain of command last night who a) had been inside a Christian church at any point in his or her lifetime or simply b) was not unduly hostile to people of faith, this gaffe may have been prevented. Yes, Christians regularly pray about weather. Here’s a snippet from a prayer that Lutherans such as myself might pray:

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We are grateful for the gifts You give us from Your work of creation and Your continuing work to care for us and all You have made. Bless and prosper the harvest in our land at this time of the year and all year long. Suppress the spread of disease among animals, and provide health and strength to the crops, that weather, flooding, drought, and parasites may not hinder the bounty You give from being a blessing far beyond the farms and ranches where our food is grown and raised.
In this land of plenty, help us to remember those who are unable to provide for themselves. Teach us to use all of Your blessings to serve those You have entrusted to us according to our vocations. Remind us of the importance of sharing our material wealth, our time, our skills and talents, our possessions, and the wisdom of Your Holy Word. Grant us thankful hearts, observant minds, and generous action to care for our neighbors in need.

Want to mock us, Washington Post?

Catholics, Anglicans, Baptists, and Christians of all stripes pray for rain. So do Jews. So do Hindus.

The beauty of this headline/social media hit on Perdue is that it manages to raise questions about the paper’s ability to fairly cover both conservative politicians and religious people, in one fell swoop.

3) Calling David Gelernter Anti-Intellectual

Also coming in under the unnecessarily hostile banner at the Washington Post was this headline for a piece written by Sarah Kaplan:



Once again, the story about the Yale University genius professor does not substantiate the claim made in the headline. It says he decries current trends in academia and the influence of liberal intellectuals, but that’s not the same thing.

“Gelernter is profoundly eccentric and often wrong, but to call him ‘anti-intellectual’ is astonishingly stupid,” Alan Jacobs writes. “But then the Post may be unable to tell the difference between ‘anti-intellectual’ and ‘[decrying] the influence of liberal intellectuals.'”

The story interviews only one person — a member of a far-left advocacy group who admits he has no knowledge of Gelernter. Here’s a discussion of his emergence “as one of the seminal thinkers in the field known as parallel, or distributed, computing” from 1992, the year before the Unabomber tried to kill him (presumably not for being “fiercely anti-intellectual”).

Rather than speak to people who know Gelernter, his tremendous work, and even his controversies, the Post went for an uninformed hit.

4) CNN’s Jim Acosta Badgering MLK III For a Trump Hit

This one was from Monday afternoon, Martin Luther King Jr. Day. The video is pulled from Media Research Center, a conservative media criticism site. It shows reporters repeatedly trying to get Martin Luther King III, to speak against Trump.

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It’s worth watching to see how the reporters pose leading questions in an attempt to provoke King to say something harsh in response. He repeatedly and deftly declines. I’m not sure a less media-savvy person would have been able to take the onslaught so diplomatically.

Let’s look particularly at the question posed by CNN’s Jim Acosta:

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“Isn’t there something that cuts to your core when you hear the president-elect refer to John Lewis as all talk and no action? I mean, nothing could be further from the truth, isn’t that right? John Lewis is not all talk and no action.”

This isn’t asking someone for their view, it’s telling you theirs and insisting that they agree. Here’s how it comes off to normal people:

-Acosta should have just said: “Look into the camera say say ‘this cuts me to the core'”
-It was horrible. He wanted MLKIII to be as fake outraged as he was, but it wasn’t happening.
-The problem is that journalists don’t see this as leading; they think it’s truth-telling that will elicit more truth.
-That’s trying to put his words in another’s mouth by bullying the premise in three times.
-If this was asked in a court of law, it would be overruled by about 8 different objections. facts I don't like!
-Objection! Leading the witness. Counselor, if you keep this up, this court will hold you in contempt.
-Wow…did he even wait for a response?
-In fact, it’s not really journalism. It’s advocacy. Subject’s own views aren’t being solicited; a particular answer is.
-Why won’t you answer the way I want you to answer?!?!
-A prime example of a talking head trying to make news as opposed to reporting it.
-Horrible question to start with but holy cow at trying to lead someone to a specific reply. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just stamp his name to a reply you’ve written up already?
Comes off more like a spox for Lewis than a journalist.
-Isn’t this Journalism 101: ask question, then immediately answer you own question, then ask to confirm you’re right.
-That’s not even a leading question. That’s an escape room question, with only one way out.
-Maybe Acosta wanted to answer that question himself. Because he’s obviously the story, right?
-In a nutshell this is the MSM demonstrating why we disrespect and ignore them.
If you’re curious, here is Costa’s takeaway of what transpired:

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For those curious if this is just Acosta’s style, no matter who is being interviewed, here’s one memorable comparison. It’s Acosta asking Obama about his “best week ever.” Acosta was the reporter that Trump told to be quiet in the aftermath of the “dossier” story when he repeatedly tried to ask a question over other reporters.

If the media would like to understand why they’re not viewed as the innocent victims they believe themselves to be in their war against Trump, this tiny little sample is a good place to start.

If the media can’t be trusted to fairly report on successful governors, genius Yale professors, or Martin Luther King III, they can’t be trusted to have the emotional distance, objective aims, respect, tolerance, journalistic skills, or sanity to cover Trump himself.

A strong media is required to hold politicians accountable and help preserve a functioning republic. Our media, who are swinging wildly from eight years of sycophancy into an era of cartoonish hostility, are in no position to hold anyone accountable. This is a crisis, and one that nearly everyone except those in the media establishment and the political movement they support seems to recognize.

Sorry about the super long post. I blame Rooks.
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