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By lhova 2015-03-25 15:42:48  
I'm at work atm so I'm curious if the update happened today and if so what is Rudra's looking like numbers wise?
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2015-03-25 15:47:38  
Not til later tonight. Get back to work!
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By Siren.Sieha 2015-03-25 17:22:58  
lhova said: »
I'm at work atm so I'm curious if the update happened today and if so what is Rudra's looking like numbers wise?

Are you david?
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By Nyruul 2015-03-25 17:24:02  
Siren.Sieha said: »
lhova said: »
I'm at work atm so I'm curious if the update happened today and if so what is Rudra's looking like numbers wise?

Are you david?

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By cervelo84 2015-03-26 06:27:13  
Just tested it, seems to be about 20 % nerf, honestly not bad.. and I don't have fotia gear that increases wsdmg
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By lhova 2015-03-26 08:26:31  
cervelo84 said: »
Just tested it, seems to be about 20 % nerf, honestly not bad.. and I don't have fotia gear that increases wsdmg

20~30% Is huge! SE always has to mess something up. They test this ***before the unveil it but then find the need to take it back. They nerf it for ardor but then postpone its release, but still they nerf Thf. Bs
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By fonewear 2015-03-26 08:30:15  
I thought you were talking about FFXI and the answer is yes !
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-03-26 08:30:27  
FTP changes are:
-16.7% at 1000 tp
-32% at 2000 tp
-1/3 at 3000 tp

your actual damage will be penalized a little bit less than this due to ftp not effecting DA/TA/QA/offhand, you can expect to lose 25-28% of your damage on a 2k+ tp rudras

they released it and scaled it back because they wanted people to use THF to close skillchains, anyone with eyes could see it was overpowered
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By fonewear 2015-03-26 08:31:14  
This is why the US economy is in bad shape people worrying about a weapon skill when they should be working !
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By lhova 2015-03-26 08:36:44  
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
FTP changes are:
-16.7% at 1000 tp
-32% at 2000 tp
-1/3 at 3000 tp

your actual damage will be penalized a little bit less than this due to ftp not effecting DA/TA/QA/offhand, you can expect to lose 25-28% of your damage on a 2k+ tp rudras

they released it and scaled it back because they wanted people to use THF to close skillchains, anyone with eyes could see it was overpowered

How much are you losing at 3000 tp? And does anyone have the ftp of RS before they so called "op" it? To compare.
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By lhova 2015-03-26 08:38:01  
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This is why the US economy is in bad shape people worrying about a weapon skill when they should be working !

The U.S. economy isn't in bad shape, it just has that perception based on ignoring the data and not wanting to give an African American president credit for anything!
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By fonewear 2015-03-26 08:38:36  
Clearly the joke you missed it !
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By Pantafernando 2015-03-26 09:28:18  
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This is why the US economy is in bad shape people worrying about a weapon skill ffxiah when they should be working !

Your boss is calling david.
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By Siren.Sieha 2015-03-26 13:32:55  
lhova said: »
fonewear said: »
This is why the US economy is in bad shape people worrying about a weapon skill when they should be working !

The U.S. economy isn't in bad shape, it just has that perception based on ignoring the data and not wanting to give an African American president credit for anything!

Why does it have to be an African American, why not just the president?
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By protectorchrono 2015-03-26 13:57:45  
Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Get back to work!


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By Ulthakptah 2015-03-26 14:05:19  
lhova said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
FTP changes are:
-16.7% at 1000 tp
-32% at 2000 tp
-1/3 at 3000 tp

your actual damage will be penalized a little bit less than this due to ftp not effecting DA/TA/QA/offhand, you can expect to lose 25-28% of your damage on a 2k+ tp rudras

they released it and scaled it back because they wanted people to use THF to close skillchains, anyone with eyes could see it was overpowered

How much are you losing at 3000 tp? And does anyone have the ftp of RS before they so called "op" it? To compare.
Shark Bite 4.81/7.11/8.81 ->/ 4.5/6.8/8.5
Mercy Stroke 6 -> 5
Mandalic Stab 5/8.19/11.79 -> 4/6.09/8.5
Rudra’s Storm 6/15/19.5 -> 5/10.19/13

It was in the update notes. Shark Bite, Mercy Stroke, and Mandalic Stab shouldn't have been nerfed. If anything Mandalic Stab's TP at 2000 and 3000 could use a little boost. As for Rudra's 1000 tp I understand, but they went way too far with the 2000 and 3000 values.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-03-26 14:14:24  
Ulthakptah said: »
lhova said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
FTP changes are:
-16.7% at 1000 tp
-32% at 2000 tp
-1/3 at 3000 tp

your actual damage will be penalized a little bit less than this due to ftp not effecting DA/TA/QA/offhand, you can expect to lose 25-28% of your damage on a 2k+ tp rudras

they released it and scaled it back because they wanted people to use THF to close skillchains, anyone with eyes could see it was overpowered

How much are you losing at 3000 tp? And does anyone have the ftp of RS before they so called "op" it? To compare.
Shark Bite 4.81/7.11/8.81 ->/ 4.5/6.8/8.5
Mercy Stroke 6 -> 5
Mandalic Stab 5/8.19/11.79 -> 4/6.09/8.5
Rudra’s Storm 6/15/19.5 -> 5/10.19/13

It was in the update notes. Shark Bite, Mercy Stroke, and Mandalic Stab shouldn't have been nerfed. If anything Mandalic Stab's TP at 2000 and 3000 could use a little boost. As for Rudra's 1000 tp I understand, but they went way too far with the 2000 and 3000 values.

Nay the 2k and 3k tp values are spot on.
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By lhova 2015-03-26 17:35:18  
RS is super weak atm. Unstacked I used to 1 shot mandy's in Celziak and now with 2k tp I only hit the thing for 4500... Stacked I think i hit one for 20k at 3000tp. I know small sample size but damn man. And again does anyone know the ftp of RS before the last change to compare it to its current form.
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By Siren.Kiyara 2015-03-26 23:25:15  
Glad to see Thf is nerfed. The dmg from Rudra's was beyond HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Funny how so many people are dropping from thf after the dagger nerf. Still, thf is stronger than it used to be but isn't top tier anymore.
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By mortontony1 2015-03-26 23:37:58  
lhova said: »
And again does anyone know the ftp of RS before the last change to compare it to its current form.

Ulthakptah said: »
Shark Bite 4.81/7.11/8.81 ->/ 4.5/6.8/8.5
Mercy Stroke 6 -> 5
Mandalic Stab 5/8.19/11.79 -> 4/6.09/8.5
Rudra’s Storm 6/15/19.5 -> 5/10.19/13

Unless you mean the values of pre-"wtfudra's'?
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By Heimdel 2015-03-27 00:04:29  
lhova said: »
cervelo84 said: »
Just tested it, seems to be about 20 % nerf, honestly not bad.. and I don't have fotia gear that increases wsdmg

20~30% Is huge! SE always has to mess something up. They test this ***before the unveil it but then find the need to take it back. They nerf it for ardor but then postpone its release, but still they nerf Thf. Bs

It isn't that they find they need take it back. What happens is every time a none main job gets something that lets them compete people don't play the job whine and *** till it gets nerfed. Same thing happen to bst having th2 from pets. Because you know bst with th2 for all it solo play is game breaking...
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By Mookies 2015-03-27 00:19:57  
While power leveling a LS mate on mobs in cirdas I noticed RS would frequently dip below 2k at 1000 tp. High end was 3k. Before the patch I was consistently doing 4-6k at 1000TP, 10k at 2000tp.

I know the numbers were absurd, but it feels worse than the posted changes indicate.
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By lhova 2015-03-27 07:25:38  
Mookies said: »
While power leveling a LS mate on mobs in cirdas I noticed RS would frequently dip below 2k at 1000 tp. High end was 3k. Before the patch I was consistently doing 4-6k at 1000TP, 10k at 200tp.

I know the numbers were absurd, but it feels worse than the posted changes indicate.

It is worse. I believe they gimped it back to the prehistoric days and now made blm super saiyan 5 overpowered with 80k nukes. Regardless if it's via magic burst or not, Sam plus blm, is saiyan God mode but people are cheering because thf was finally at SS1? Lol
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By Nyruul 2015-03-27 07:45:39  
Siren.Sieha said: »
lhova said: »
fonewear said: »
This is why the US economy is in bad shape people worrying about a weapon skill when they should be working !

The U.S. economy isn't in bad shape, it just has that perception based on ignoring the data and not wanting to give an African American president credit for anything!

Why does it have to be an African American, why not just the president?

Has nothing to do with the fact that he is black...

*Chapelle white man voice*
Cause he's an African American president.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-27 07:55:40  
lhova said: »
Mookies said: »
While power leveling a LS mate on mobs in cirdas I noticed RS would frequently dip below 2k at 1000 tp. High end was 3k. Before the patch I was consistently doing 4-6k at 1000TP, 10k at 200tp.

I know the numbers were absurd, but it feels worse than the posted changes indicate.

It is worse. I believe they gimped it back to the prehistoric days and now made blm super saiyan 5 overpowered with 80k nukes. Regardless if it's via magic burst or not, Sam plus blm, is saiyan God mode but people are cheering because thf was finally at SS1? Lol


Mandies are MNKs, MNK's can guard, eyeball parse is crap.
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By lhova 2015-03-27 09:00:01  
Odin.Jassik said: »
lhova said: »
Mookies said: »
While power leveling a LS mate on mobs in cirdas I noticed RS would frequently dip below 2k at 1000 tp. High end was 3k. Before the patch I was consistently doing 4-6k at 1000TP, 10k at 200tp.

I know the numbers were absurd, but it feels worse than the posted changes indicate.

It is worse. I believe they gimped it back to the prehistoric days and now made blm super saiyan 5 overpowered with 80k nukes. Regardless if it's via magic burst or not, Sam plus blm, is saiyan God mode but people are cheering because thf was finally at SS1? Lol


Mandies are MNKs, MNK's can guard, eyeball parse is crap.

I know what mandies are and I've also killed hundreds of them. I know that I use to 1 shot them with 1k tp and now I can't even take half their hp with the same RS. Yeah I know about the rigors and value of testing but at the end of the day, the eyes don't lie.
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2015-03-27 09:16:30  
I messed with Rudra's a little on my dancer and it's noticeably weaker. Which is perfect. Rudra's was imbalanced prior to the update. There's no reason why one job should lead the parse AND be a premier solo job. Unless that job is blue mage, of course ;)
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-27 09:19:27  
Sylph.Safiyyah said: »
I messed with Rudra's a little on my dancer and it's noticeably weaker. Which is perfect. Rudra's was imbalanced prior to the update. There's no reason why one job should lead the parse AND be a premier solo job. Unless that job is blue mage, of course ;)


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