99 - Mandau (55dmg) Vs Izhiikoh (108dmg)

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 Cerberus.Warviper
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By Cerberus.Warviper 2015-01-05 15:29:05  
Hey Guys.

How does Mandau at 99 with its 55dmg even compete with Izhiikohs 108dmg ??

I´m not really sure i understand how the mecanics work, just eyeballing it i mean, it seems like theres a BIG difference?!?

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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2015-01-05 15:31:07  
You're not looking at the iLvl version of Mandau.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/20555/mandau
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By Bahamut.Greebo 2015-01-05 15:33:19  
You are getting this Mandau 99 mixed up with this Mandau 99(II) - ilvl 119
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By Cerberus.Warviper 2015-01-05 15:35:06  
And how do i upgrade it from this? ::
http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Mandau_(Level_99)

To the ilvl version ?? ::
http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Mandau_(Level_119)
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By Bahamut.Greebo 2015-01-05 15:37:42  
Relic Stage 1-4

Follow it up with Magian Trials (Scroll down to Relic/Mythic section)
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By Cerberus.Warviper 2015-01-05 15:42:24  
Im still confused lol??

I just did all of this:
Trial 991: Beasts - Mercy Stroke x200
Mercy Stroke killing blow:
Trial 992: Vermin x200
Trial 1818: PlantoidsT x300
Trial 1819: BirdsT x300
Trial 2249: DragonsT x400
Monster kills with weapon equipped:
Trial 2660: Quiebitiel x5
Trial 3093: Animated Dagger x10
Trial 3556: Trade mbral Marrow x5

Which gave me this:
http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Mandau_(Level_99)

The next quest the moogle offers me is 3606 to afterglow the 99 mandau with 250 umbral marrows !??!

Did i do something wrong?
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By Bahamut.Soraishin 2015-01-05 15:44:33  
Cerberus.Warviper said: »
Im still confused lol??

I just did all of this:
Trial 991: Beasts - Mercy Stroke x200
Mercy Stroke killing blow:
Trial 992: Vermin x200
Trial 1818: PlantoidsT x300
Trial 1819: BirdsT x300
Trial 2249: DragonsT x400
Monster kills with weapon equipped:
Trial 2660: Quiebitiel x5
Trial 3093: Animated Dagger x10
Trial 3556: Trade mbral Marrow x5

Which gave me this:
http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Mandau_(Level_99)

The next quest the moogle offers me is 3606 to afterglow the 99 mandau with 250 umbral marrows !??!

Did i do something wrong?

Go talk to Oboro in Port Jeuno if you're already 99
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2015-01-05 15:50:23  
Gonna assume you're coming back to the game after a long break.

Upgrading from 99 to 119 requires 300 Plutons, and having met the requirements set by Oboro in Port Jeuno (near the Qufim exit). The requirements are any one of the following:

- Clear Delve once: Entry is easy, but getting a group can be difficult. People shout for it regularly, but often looking for support jobs like BRD. It is possible to get through this by mooching a win, though you may have a hard time finding people gracious enough to let you tag along.
- Clear a High-Tier Mission Battlefield on Normal difficulty or higher: Revamped BCs that require merit points to gain access (and having cleared the original fights). Some of these fights are much easier than others, though much like Delve, it might be tricky to get on board for one as a mooch, more so because of the merit point cost for entry.
- Clear a Sacred Kindred Crest BC on Difficult or Very Difficult: Revamped BCNMs in places like Horlais Peak, etc. Probably the easiest thing to get people together for, since entry is easy, takes very little time, and nets plenty of "Rem's Tales" chapters for all, which people use to upgrade AF/relic armor. I recommend shouting for this as your best option, there are always people out there needing more chapters. This is also the easiest method in terms of the difficulty of fights themselves.

Whatever you end up doing, which I'm guessing will involve shouting, be patient, and above all courteous and you'll be much more successful in making progress.
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-05 15:51:23  
You need 300 plutons plus and win in a content 119 battlefield or delve to falg upgrade quest.
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By Cerberus.Warviper 2015-01-05 15:56:07  
yay thnx a bunch guys ^^

Talking to Oboro did the trick ^^

Actually i came back about 2 months ago, but its my first relic ever made heh :) :)

You had me scared i had to go through the afterglow 250 umbral marrows trial first there for a sec loool !!! :D

Guess ill have to do the same with my old Almace i left in my mog safe if Almace is even worth ilvl119ing.
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By Cerberus.Warviper 2015-01-05 16:07:25  
How does the
http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Mandau_(Level_119)
compare to Izhiikoh then?

Is there a writeup test somewhere?
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-05 16:09:30  
Its inferior.
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2015-01-05 16:13:41  
Pretty sure Valli had done some testing in this forum Click Here You'll just have to look around in this different pages. I'm sure it should be in the earlier pages 1-3ish hope this helps
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-01-05 16:13:42  
Sandung better than both. Quite a few lolthfs state as fact.
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By Cerberus.Warviper 2015-01-05 16:21:52  
Meh guess ill play around with my new little friend and see how things go :)

8 years of playing ffxi on and off when IRL permitted it :) but never got around to completing a relic until now so no matter what im happy with my new mandau :)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2015-01-05 16:24:53  
Congratulations! Now put it in storage and use Izhiikoh and offhand Atoyac (Occ twice, WSD 2) so you can spam Rudra's Storm and cry like the rest of us Mandau owners
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By Fenrir.Magi 2015-01-05 17:10:33  
Relic WSes are an extinct breed man, (from a pure damaging point of view and not utility WS) it's about time they finished off Mercy Stroke!
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By Cerberus.Warviper 2015-01-05 17:44:40  
Notes : Mandau
Hidden Effect: Mercy Stroke damage +40%
Hidden Effect: Does Triple Damage on the first swing of an attack round 13% of the time.
Will never activate on hits from Double Attack, Triple Attack, etc.
Additional Effect: Poison does 10 damage/tick and cannot overwrite itself.

To clarify this means it CAN proc and triple dmg amount of a rudras storm?

But i should never stack Assassins charge with Sneak attack and rudras storm? since it CANT proc on triple / double attacks?

I should only do SA or TA + Rudras without ASsassins Charge if i wanna hope to see some fun numbers?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-01-05 17:52:29  
Cerberus.Warviper said: »
To clarify this means it CAN proc and triple dmg amount of a rudras storm?

But i should never stack Assassins charge with Sneak attack and rudras storm? since it CANT proc on triple / double attacks?

I should only do SA or TA + Rudras without ASsassins Charge if i wanna hope to see some fun numbers?

1 No.
2 shouldn't stack AC cause it's a terrible merit and you shouldn't have it.
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By lhova 2015-01-07 06:02:24  
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Cerberus.Warviper said: »
To clarify this means it CAN proc and triple dmg amount of a rudras storm?

But i should never stack Assassins charge with Sneak attack and rudras storm? since it CANT proc on triple / double attacks?

I should only do SA or TA + Rudras without ASsassins Charge if i wanna hope to see some fun numbers?

1 No.
2 shouldn't stack AC cause it's a terrible merit and you shouldn't have it.

Why is AC terrible? I typically get my highest numbers slacking it with SA
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2015-01-07 06:20:13  
lhova said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
Cerberus.Warviper said: »
To clarify this means it CAN proc and triple dmg amount of a rudras storm?

But i should never stack Assassins charge with Sneak attack and rudras storm? since it CANT proc on triple / double attacks?

I should only do SA or TA + Rudras without ASsassins Charge if i wanna hope to see some fun numbers?

1 No.
2 shouldn't stack AC cause it's a terrible merit and you shouldn't have it.

Why is AC terrible? I typically get my highest numbers slacking it with SA
Perplexed as well, it triples your next attack guaranteed, with a slight change of it being a quadruple attack, hence why we're posting these ridiculous numbers with Rudra's, considering our other Group 2 merit choices, feint is cool for a short evasion down + TH bonus, ambush is hard to maintain, especially in high enmity situations and impossible to use solo apart from mobs that don't turn and proc'd mobs and aura steal is just gimmicky.

What else are we putting into Group 2? Unless you're being sarcastic in which case it went over everyone's heads.
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-07 06:24:24  
Only cons i can think of AC is the ja delay, that can consume attack rounds in high speed situations, and maybe shortening sc window for solo skillchain, but cheater like valli should be using ja0 stuffs, i dont think he should be complaining. Its about 900 extra dmg. People spend 10m for a +1 str or dex...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-07 06:26:01  
I would understand if thf had these awesome merits to chose from but...
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-01-07 06:27:03  
If you know its so good then just use it and stop asking questions.

If you think its good, get it, cause all that matters is how you feel about it.

It's the best merit get it 5/5 /thread.
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-07 06:31:11  
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
If you know its so good then just use it and stop asking questions.

It's the best merit get it 5/5 /thread.

Thats not the point dammit.

Everyone just want to know if you are disregarding AC based in actual reason or just simple prejudice.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2015-01-07 06:33:08  
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
If you know its so good then just use it and stop asking questions.

If you think its good, get it, cause all that matters is how you feel about it.

It's the best merit get it 5/5 /thread.
You have asserted that it's not good, as a person who's been regularly posting THF information on this job forum people are going to look at your posts with interest as believe it or not, if someone is unsure about something with THF they may look to you for advice as a regular poster.

So you could at least post an explanation to why AC sucks.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-01-07 07:48:09  
Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »
If you know its so good then just use it and stop asking questions.

If you think its good, get it, cause all that matters is how you feel about it.

It's the best merit get it 5/5 /thread.
You have asserted that it's not good, as a person who's been regularly posting THF information on this job forum people are going to look at your posts with interest as believe it or not, if someone is unsure about something with THF they may look to you for advice as a regular poster.

So you could at least post an explanation to why AC sucks.

They aren't going to listen anyway. Then some assclown will argue, and you know what *** it. Just blindly agree with whatever people tell you. It's a lot easier than actually figuring things out for yourself. Who cares who's right and who's wrong. It's your 12.95 and it feels good.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-07 07:51:43  
Most unhelpful poster ever. Why bother posting, just leave.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2015-01-07 07:57:51  
Say something, we can debate it, that's what a discussion is, perhaps there is something you know that we don't, the thf guide says definitely get 5/5 AC, everyone else here swears by 5/5 AC yet you say it's worthless and won't offer a reason why.
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