Brd Spells

Just a random idea/thought... Why can't a brd cast songs on alliance members? its a song that can be heard so i dont get why not.

Same reason Protectra and Shellra are pt only. PS2 limitations

Damn... Is that really why?

I dont know the way i see it, it would be a little overpowered if BRD could buff 18 people at once. Just like you need multiple whm/tanks/dd etc you would need 2-3 BRD also. Just balances the game out a bit more and creates more spots for people with more specialized jobs (like only 1-2 job chars).

Because it would be overpowered as hell.

With Pianissimo maybe, without no.

I dont see the Overpowering, but whatever.Just saying... whm can single protct/shell anyone as well as haste, but brd is party or self only... seems gimped as is.

How is it gimped? lol

You'd need one BRD for an entire alliance otherwise.

Why do you think Shellra and Protectra don't cross alliance target?

Not arguing about protectra and shellra, however you can still cast these buffs outside a party (Protect and shell). I like what you said about maybe with troubadour, but im saying not at all is suspicious considering the fact its a song.

I never said it is gimped, I said it seems gimped... I appreciate your feedback but you dont seem to listen(read) very well. (see how I used the word seem again)

These are buff spells and it doesnt seem right for them to be limited to just self and/or party member.

If you don't understand why BRD songs shouldn't be cross alliance then you're pretty much a lost cause.

are brd pt swaps unheard of?

They are these days.

And if songs are made cross alliance then all buffs will have to be, otherwise BRD gets even more powerful compared to the other buffing classes.

I keep forgetting your useless to talk to. You think your right in everything you say and get sand in your panties everytime another disagrees with you.


Yea... did them alot in dyna-xarc for dyna lord.

Well that's because your entire justification for BRD songs to be cross alliance is because "Other people would hear them"

You don't think about balance issues or anything else.

In that case I guess people outside the party and alliance should get the buff because they can hear it too.

Yeah, thats partly the logic i am using... The thing is when you compare the buffs like protect and shell, im like but you can cast outside the party... Not saying it should be changed perhaps for balance purposes, just saying it doesnt seem right that i cand do nothing for my alliance members at all brd related.

Maybe it would be a nice ja in the future. why not?

Because it would make BRD even more overpowered, make the game easier (Which is not a card I normally play, but really...) and also make it so only one BRD is necessary for a full alliance seeing as marches are the only useful songs inside Abyssea. (And Ballads... I guess)

I'd be perfectly fine with the ability to do this so long as it was limited to Pianissimo'ed songs to cast on those outside party but it'd be a hell of a lot of work for a brd to seem overpowered with this.

While I think it is a bit much to be able to sing songs alliance wide in aoe form, you have to realize that even if you could it does not mean it is as good as 3 brds. Song duration is limited and they do have recasts and it would be make me rage to have to sing various songs for different groups and that is even if they stayed in their respective areas so I wouldn't hit a melee with a ballad. It'd still be by far better for sure, even to the point of broken but it would also introduce a great many headaches and annoyances along with those advantages. My brd alt would cry if I had to buff 3 parties.

Still... If you want to be technical, yes everyone hears brd songs. So not only would ally members get it but so would other players and mobs. So I guess there are some perks to limiting its effects.

It just promotes lazy play lol. Put the BRD where he's most needed and you'll get this exact same effect. I doubt anyone would ever have to buff more than 6 people at once.

I dont see the problem lol. Its a brd. Dont get me wrong (like you love to do) I hear you with the overpowered thing. It just bothers me that there is no way i can support anyone, brd wise, outside my own party under any circumstance. Not even with troubadour or pianissimo.

Neither can Corsair or SMN.

If it bothers you that much go /WHM and toss out hastes.

See, your not listening... haste is not a brd ability (although there are haste songs)and i do go /whm. i dont know cor and smn, thats my solo job.

Here I'll break it down for you.

If other jobs can't buff the alliance

Then BRD shouldn't be able to buff the alliance

If you're in a situation where you can't buff enough people get another BRD (This game is based around playing in groups), Ask to be moved party so the alliance is getting the most out of the BRD or make a macro to leave and join parties.

There is no logic behind BRD being able to buff alliance members when SMN and COR can't.

obv brd songs couldn't hit an entire alliance without severely limiting endgame bard slots

would also cause trouble with mage, dd parties etc.

all of that goes without saying

i'm more concerned about durtiesweat being the absolute worst name i have ever seen :(

He's saying buff wise, haste songs are as much of a buff as haste is. Also, Protect and Shell are very much so valid examples as to why bard songs aren't Alliance wide.

Imagine having to see it every time you log in :(

it'd be sufficient incentive to switch server for new name, or buy a new account that's for sure

It pisses me off when people like that get lucky with drops I tell you what.

If there's an FFXI god he hates me.

Maybe every playable character is actually deaf and a brd singing allows people in that party to hear it.....Maybe thats the way it REALLY works.... huh?? Think of that?? lol ok sorry for trolling a lil bit hear, I just thought this whole thread was kinda "...wait what...?" in the first place lol... it would be RIDICULOUSLY OP if brd can AOE sing accross alliances, especially with G horn, and AF3 with increased song durations and such... lol

Hmmm.... you would think that because your ignorant to its meaning. Not you fault. As far as your request to change it, request denied and thats for sure.

But we digress...

Maybe...