I recently got my Iga Mimikazari.
I thought be able to reach DW 50 but
after some fast test based on TP reward
it seems we have a DW cap @45.
I can't make more test atm but will do soon.
Can someone, please, confirm am wrong ?
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Dual Wield cap @45 ?!
Ifrit.Nargothrond
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I recently got my Iga Mimikazari.
I thought be able to reach DW 50 but after some fast test based on TP reward it seems we have a DW cap @45. I can't make more test atm but will do soon. Can someone, please, confirm am wrong ? You're wrong. Overall Delay- caps at 80% or so.
Ifrit.Nargothrond said: I recently got my Iga Mimikazari. I thought be able to reach DW 50 but after some fast test based on TP reward it seems we have a DW cap @45. I can't make more test atm but will do soon. Can someone, please, confirm am wrong ? Ifrit.Nargothrond
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Thx for answering yet I don't get it.
Ok for overall delay reduced but I was speaking about DW direct cap. My 1st test was done this way : One hit kill Bunnies in Ronfaure, 10 times, reads the TP. Unequip-equip katana to TP0 when changing DW geears. Sekka+1/Sekka+1 or delay 201/201. So entirely Naked but 2 mentioned Katanas (DW35), I expected 45 and got 45. With Chainmail+1 only (DW40) I expected 45 and got 45. With Chainmail+1 and Suppa (DW45) I expected 44 and got 44. With Chainmail+1 Iga Mimi and Suppa (DW48?) I expected 43 (if Mimi is 2-3-4 or 5% DW) and got 44. 2 main explanations how far I get the formula Or Iga Mimi is 1%, which I hope not, and Nightfyre Or a Cap @45 DW ? why I asked. Sorry to insist about it but : 1/ Even happy with correct info I like to understand when possible. 2/ There is a direct impact on TP gears set according to result. afaik there is no cap on dual wield itself, i run around on dnc with 55% dual wield and the tp drop is noticeable.
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55% as a DNC is impressive and Grats for that.
It means you have almost all possible gears with DW+ for DNC, as max atm is 60% with Body AF3+2 I must certainly miss some detail in maths and would enjoy some explanation on numbers. Thanks for the info Yunalaysca. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Mimikizari is 3% DW, not 5%. Sigh, was to be expected I guess. But then again, not like I have a choice so it's all good for me. Ifrit.Nargothrond said: 55% as a DNC is impressive and Grats for that. It means you have almost all possible gears with DW+ for DNC, as max atm is 60% with Body AF3+2 I must certainly miss some detail in maths and would enjoy some explanation on numbers. Thanks for the info Yunalaysca. Actually duel weild is so easy to come by on DNC nowday. Asura.Sechs said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Mimikizari is 3% DW, not 5%. Sigh, was to be expected I guess. But then again, not like I have a choice so it's all good for me. Ifrit.Nargothrond said: Thx for answering yet I don't get it. Ok for overall delay reduced but I was speaking about DW direct cap. My 1st test was done this way : One hit kill Bunnies in Ronfaure, 10 times, reads the TP. Unequip-equip katana to TP0 when changing DW geears. Sekka+1/Sekka+1 or delay 201/201. So entirely Naked but 2 mentioned Katanas (DW35), I expected 45 and got 45. With Chainmail+1 only (DW40) I expected 45 and got 45. With Chainmail+1 and Suppa (DW45) I expected 44 and got 44. With Chainmail+1 Iga Mimi and Suppa (DW48?) I expected 43 (if Mimi is 2-3-4 or 5% DW) and got 44. 2 main explanations how far I get the formula Or Iga Mimi is 1%, which I hope not, and Nightfyre confirmed is not. Or a Cap @45 DW ? why I asked. Sorry to insist about it but : 1/ Even happy with correct info I like to understand when possible. 2/ There is a direct impact on TP gears set according to result. I don't think it caps at 45.
I just did a little testing while camping bugbear strongman. Luckily I have a non DW dagger with the same delay as auric for testing :) DNC90/NIN45 Daggers: Kila+2 (Delay 190) + Renegade (Delay 201) ***DW+0*** (Total: 30) TP per attack round: 11 Daggers: Kila+2 (Delay 190) + Auric Dagger (Delay201) ***DW+5*** (Total: 35) TP per attack round: 10.5 < x < 11 (10.75?) Daggers: Kila+2 (Delay 190) + Auric Dagger (Delay201) + Charis Necklace ***DW+10*** (Total: 40) TP per attack round: 10.5 Daggers: Kila + 2 (Delay 190) + Auric Dagger (Delay 201) +Charis Necklace + Suppanomimi ***DW+15*** (Total: 45) TP per attack round: 10.33 Daggers: Kila +2 (Delay 190) + Auric Dagger (Delay 201) + Charis Necklace + Suppanomimi + Charis Casaque +2 ***DW+25** (Total: 55) TP per attack round: ~10.1? I couldn't really get exact TP per round due to the game not showing decimals and having limited attack rounds in oldton movalpolos where I happen to be. Either way, the TP drop is apparent with each DW enhancing piece I put on. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: It's 2-3% as tested by Failure, and given precedent in Mirke Wardecors I'm assuming 3%. Still better than Brutal if you have access to both Suppa and Iga (barring having enough haste to reach delay reduction cap without it), and given how useless non-Suppa DM earrings are these days there's little reason not to. Ifrit.Nargothrond
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So, reading your posts, everyone seems to confirm there is no cap for DW.
It let only the option 2 sadly : earring DW is 1% . And it must be thought as an Eva+5 with a slight bonus for eva set. Good eva earring no ? Unless you consider a +1% DW (with no impact on TP) is nice for your own set. Personnaly I find it really deceiptive for a MAIN NIN LEVEL 90 GEAR. About non +5% DW, there was already indeed 3% and even 1% before but never for a NIN only gear. 1% is as high as a level 30 gear for nin as a sub job <.< And for info max possible DW for DNC is 60 and NIN is 61! Ifrit.Nargothrond said: So, reading your posts, everyone seems to confirm there is no cap for DW. It let only the option 2 sadly : earring DW is 1% . And it must be thought as an Eva+5 with a slight bonus for eva set. Good eva earring no ? Unless you consider a +1% DW (with no impact on TP) is nice for your own set. Personnaly I find it really deceiptive for a MAIN NIN LEVEL 90 GEAR. About non +5% DW, there was already indeed 3% and even 1% before but never for a NIN only gear. 1% is as high as a level 30 gear for nin as a sub job <.< And for info max possible DW for DNC is 60 and NIN is 61! All of the earrings are really shitty. They look similar to AF3+0, which makes me wonder if they'll be upgradeable in the future. Unicorn.Tarowyn said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: It's 2-3% as tested by Failure, and given precedent in Mirke Wardecors I'm assuming 3%. Still better than Brutal if you have access to both Suppa and Iga (barring having enough haste to reach delay reduction cap without it), and given how useless non-Suppa DM earrings are these days there's little reason not to. Carbuncle.Asymptotic said: Ifrit.Nargothrond said: So, reading your posts, everyone seems to confirm there is no cap for DW. It let only the option 2 sadly : earring DW is 1% . And it must be thought as an Eva+5 with a slight bonus for eva set. Good eva earring no ? Unless you consider a +1% DW (with no impact on TP) is nice for your own set. Personnaly I find it really deceiptive for a MAIN NIN LEVEL 90 GEAR. About non +5% DW, there was already indeed 3% and even 1% before but never for a NIN only gear. 1% is as high as a level 30 gear for nin as a sub job <.< And for info max possible DW for DNC is 60 and NIN is 61! All of the earrings are really shitty. They look similar to AF3+0, which makes me wonder if they'll be upgradeable in the future. Failure says 1% also fits their data, so given the information here I guess it's 1%... bleh.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Failure says 1% also fits their data, so given the information here I guess it's 1%... bleh. 1% sounds about right for the LV90 earrings. Meh, keeps getting worse. Guess I only have myself to blame for having been a fool and expecting anything better than that.
In this light, is it still worth using over other options? Like, uhm, I dunno, Hollow Earring or an attack earring? As long as it doesn't lower your TP/hit it should be better than Aesir or Centaurus, loses vs acc earring if hitrate uncapped though.
Better than Brutal though? Hell no. Brutal ain't an option for me anyway, I mean removing it ain't an option, since I don't own a Suppanomimi.
Think I'm gonna stick with this lolearring anyway, especially while soloing. That +5 eva is a good placebo. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Nargothrond said: I recently got my Iga Mimikazari. I thought be able to reach DW 50 but after some fast test based on TP reward it seems we have a DW cap @45. I can't make more test atm but will do soon. Can someone, please, confirm am wrong ? it is actually 1% dual wield Bismarck.Kuroganashi said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Ifrit.Nargothrond said: I recently got my Iga Mimikazari. I thought be able to reach DW 50 but after some fast test based on TP reward it seems we have a DW cap @45. I can't make more test atm but will do soon. Can someone, please, confirm am wrong ? it is actually 1% dual wield That's what wiki says for what its worth... and given the random nature of the strength of the new accessories; ranging from pretty nice to I wouldn't lot even if I could npc it later, I wouldn't doubt it's that crappy
Bahamut.Dasva said: That's what wiki says for what its worth... and given the random nature of the strength of the new accessories; ranging from pretty nice to I wouldn't lot even if I could npc it later, I wouldn't doubt it's that crappy Ah I see. The eevee confused me
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