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 Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-10-02 15:48:22
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Unicorn.Motenten said:
The main problem implied in his above data is that he performed all those weaponskills at "<150%TP". With a "damage varies with TP" weaponskill, if all of them aren't exactly 100 TP then the data is kind of useless for making any real estimates with.
That's what sekka is for!
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By Bismarck.Mirax 2010-10-02 19:54:49
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Well I did some tests a big ago that showed either the crit bonus increase was wrong, or that the pdif cap was wrong. Simply going out to rone, sneak attacking, and you will get numbers above the predicted value assuimg 5% and 3.15.

Edit: no this wasnt on bats.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-10-02 20:31:17
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Ugh ;\ looks like the best way would be to collect more data at exactly 100% TP and use simultaneous equations to wipe out pdif and presume both have equal (capped) pdif then~
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By ejiboo 2010-10-03 03:06:03
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90% of the WS were actually at approx 106%tp since i used the ungur to 1 shot mobs. i just said <150 cause some mighta slipped out.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-03 10:29:35
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You could also *** with your store tp to make it so you get exactly 100% each time too. I did that a bit for my sanguine blade testing. Not like it ended up mattering but yeah
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By ejiboo 2010-10-03 14:10:12
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with more tests on a bunch of random mobs, this WS does preform well solo but sometimes i get some weird numbers. occasionally it will do like 100 dmg when it should be @500-800 solo. weird thing is i get lower tp return so that would that imply that it's multi hit although when with one dagger and SA i only got back 6%

i know with multi hits you won't gain any extra hits if the first kills the monster and maybe that's what happened?

while DW'ing RS i'll occasionally end up with 5, 10, 11, 12 or 13... hmmm, i just got the killshot on a raptor and got 5% back... i just got 5% back again and it was rather weak but this time it wasn't the killshot. the norm is 10% and the animation is two hits, so safe to assume it's 2hit? but what would account for me getting 13%tp back? 11 would be double, 12 triple attack. maybe i had some stp gear on or something.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-03 14:14:22
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Were all of those SA'd? And are you 100% sure you were lined up good enough
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-03 16:26:28
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Well SA was to insure critting so you'd have a much smaller range of pdif to deal with. Same reason he is using low lvl mobs. That and fstr capping.

For example non crit a 1hand weapons pdif at capped Cratio would be 1.58-2.45. Percentage wise a rather big range. While a crit one would be ranging from 2.58 to 3.00. A much much smaller range. So easier to see/measure the differences of just adding a stat
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-03 16:42:30
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Well it doesn't always vary that much less. But what it does is add 1.0 to calculated pdif. And for 1 melee crit pdif caps at 3.0. Also that flat 1.0 means that them same amount difference between hi and low will be a smaller percent difference
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-03 16:44:27
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Actually I'm working on Armeggedon. However probably will do the WoE version in the meantime
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By ejiboo 2010-10-03 23:18:45
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just popped some RS's off on JoH and JoJ. best was 1868 on JoH, trick attack, yellow curry bun, no additional buffs. /nin.

forget exact number but hit 1.9k on JoJ with assassin's charge, trick attack, yellow curry bun, no additional buffs. /dnc. didn't get to pop another stacked because he kept moving.
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By Shiva.Shadokaryuudo 2010-10-04 18:59:57
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I'm curious if you have the weaponskill available when dual-wielding with it in the offhand. Have you tested that or did I just miss post?
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2010-10-04 23:14:01
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Probably not.

every other "Weapon skill" Weapon does not work in offhand.
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2010-10-23 22:45:46
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Shiva.Shadokaryuudo said:
I'm curious if you have the weaponskill available when dual-wielding with it in the offhand. Have you tested that or did I just miss post?
no it doesn't



also: just joined the RS cool club :D
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2010-10-25 12:49:29
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just a couple things i'll add from my experience with it on dnc:
you cant wild flourish it
doesnt work with pyrrhic kleos to create darkness
climactic flourish does work with it so it can crit normally
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By ejiboo 2010-11-14 10:21:52
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hmmm pretty sure it cannot crit being as it doesn't show in the tooltip and in abyssea it still has to be stacked to warrant using over evis with the -1.
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By Gemah 2010-11-14 10:27:19
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I got this for my DNC and lets just say I was very disappointed /cry
Maybe the +2 version in the next update will do something about this!

...I did manage a 2200 against a bird once as /thf though!
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By Asura.Backstab 2010-11-17 03:56:54
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Hmmm reading all this makes me wonder if i should really go after this dagger.... Would like to see some testing done with atmas.

My unstacked eviscriation with RR/SA or RR/VV do about 1k to 2.5k on merit mobs and stacked WS SA,AC,WS do upto 4.5 k on NM's...
Would be useless Going trough so much trouble if rudras doesnt do better then evi.
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2010-11-17 04:05:04
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the highest damage i've seen was a thf in misa killing frigate birds for 7.4k


as for my previous statement about it critting naturally i was incorrect but it is interesting that climactic flourish with dnc af3 head amplifies the dmg to some degree.

and yes i am quite disappointed with the ws itself for dnc, without the ws though Daka alone is still a high DPS dagger and is not to be shunned.
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